Monday, August 7, 2017

No True Communism

As the estimable Mr Moldbug famously put it, America is a communist country.

This is one of those statements that, on first glance, strikes you as ludicrous. And then you dig a little more, and it seems funny and has something to it, but still seems over the top and wrong. And then you dig a little more, and suddenly you're not so sure any more.

Then one day, you find that 'communism' is a pretty concise explanation for lots of the crazy stuff you see going on around you. And you try to mention this to people, and they look at you like you've wandered off the deep end.

Which perhaps you have - the internet is a wild place.

Then again, communism itself is partly to blame here. It's not like Marx spelled out exactly how his society was going to work in detail, meaning that the label necessarily has a lot more ambiguity than, say, a mercentilist or a right-to-life supporter.

And yet, when someone declares that America is a communist country, it doesn't prompt a mental response of you trying to haggle over exactly what Marx might have meant, and which of the ambiguities of what policies should be classified where in terms of mapping American political thought to a somewhat-light-on-specifics political system.

Not at all. Rather, trying to swallow "America is a communist country" at the first attempt is like trying to drink a tumbler of whisky all in one go. They do it in the movies and look cool. You try it at home, it burns your throat and you throw up.

But among the various ways I've tried to explain this idea to people, here's a surprisingly powerful one.

Consider the following list of policy proposals and aims. It's long, but bear with me.

We'll call this one, Candidate A

-Work to eliminate national oppression, national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation
-Fight against all racist ideologies and practices
-Fight against all manifestations of male supremacy and discrimination against women
-Fight against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people
-Implement a $15/hour minimum wage for all workers
-Implement national universal health care
-Oppose privatization of Social Security. 
-Increased taxes on the rich and corporations
-Strong regulation of the financial industry
-Regulation and public ownership of utilities
-Increased federal aid to cities and states
-Opposition to the Iraq War and other military interventions
-Opposition to free trade treaties such as the North American Free Trade Agreement 
-Nuclear disarmament and a reduced military budget
-Campaign finance reform including public financing of campaigns
-Election law reform, including Instant Runoff Voting

Okay, with me so far? Imagining a hypothetical Candidate A?

Now, he's about to square off against his challenger, Candidate B. What policies does he favor?

-Racial justice
-Fight for affordable housing
-Fight for women's rights
-Fight for LGBT equality
-Make college tuition free and debt free
-Get big money out of politics and restore democracy
-Create decent paying jobs
-Implement a $15/hour minimum wage
-Combat climate change to save the planet
-A fair and humane immigration policy
-Work to create an AIDS and HIV-free generation
-Empower tribal nations
-Care for our veterans
-Medicare for all
-Strengthen an expand social security
-Fight to lower prescription drug prices
-Fight for disability rights
-Support historically black colleges and universities
-Reform Wall Street
-War should be the last option
-Real family values
-Improving the rural economy
-Make the wealthy, Wall Street and large corporations pay their fair share

So John Q. Normie looks at that list, and thinks: well, look, the first guy seems to push things a bit further on nationalising healthcare, but then again the second guy wants medicare for all, which seems like basically the same thing. The second guy talks a little more about veterans and the family, but it's hard to know what exactly that means. In terms of policies where they differ, the first guy wants nuclear disarmament and the second guy wants free college, but is this because they sound like they'd vehemently disagree with each other over this, or just that they didn't think of the other one's talking point first? The first guy somehow sounds more angry than the second, even though they both talk a lot about fighting. Perhaps it's just the spin doctoring that the second guy is fighting for stuff, and the first is fighting against stuff. Do I want the friendly guy, or the passionately fired up guy? Geez, I don't know who to pull the lever for. Does it really make a difference?

Enough suspense. Let me reveal the identities of our two candidates.

Candidate B is Bernie Sanders, taken from his issues page

Candidate A is the Communist Party of the USA, taken from Wikipedia's summary of their ideology. If you don't trust them, you can get it straight from the source too.

Actually, I cheated ever so slightly, by leaving out the one aim in the opening sentence from the wikipedia entry that does sound like classical communism
Struggle for the unity of the working class 
That might have set off your radar. But the rest of the stuff is how they plan to struggle for the unity of the working class.

The obvious point here is that it is pretty damn hard to distinguish the two lists. You could use this to simply say "Ah ha! QED, Bernie Sanders is a communist!".

While true, that's not the interesting part here.

The first interesting part here is that the vast majority of Americans, and the vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters, do not consider Sanders' policies to be examples of communism. They just consider them as examples of slightly left of center Democratic Party politics. In fact, if you accused the average Bernie Sanders supporter of being a communist, they would likely either scoff, or get offended, or both.

And yet here we are. The Communist Party of the USA is claiming pretty much the same list as their policies.

If you're someone who thinks America is not a communist country, this is quite a conundrum.

The answer which I suspect most of the aforementioned group will instinctively choose, is to say that the CPUSA is wrong. We've learned about communism, it's only about central control of the means of production. The rest of it shouldn't be there.

To which I respond: be careful before you go down that path. Are you really saying that the Communist Party of the USA is insufficiently communist? Are you saying you know better than the Communist Party of the USA what actually constitutes communism? These guys have a pretty long and storied history going back to 1919. They walked the walk when it comes to supporting the Soviet Union when it was still in business. Hell, they're still shilling for Madura in Venezuela right now, even as the whole country is starving to death. They seem pretty darn serious to me.

And they say that communism looks a lot like Bernie Sanders. They too support democracy. They too call themselves socialist.

But there's a second thing to note.

The CPUSA is not exactly looking to take over the mainstream, remember. That's why they insist on calling themselves not just communist, but Communist. They're aiming at the fringe left. Even Wikipedia, hardly a bastion of reactionary thought, labels them as "Far Left".

The point is, presumably they'd like to distinguish themselves from the leftist wing of the Democratic Party, otherwise why bother? Why go to all the hassle of getting ridiculed as a Communist and then just end up agreeing with the Democrats?

There are two leading hypotheses here.

The standard one is that this is all subterfuge. They really do care entirely about the single issue they're not trumpeting, namely seizing the means of production, and the rest is entirely bogus and a hook to get people in the door.

Perhaps. In that case, you'd probably conclude they're rather dense, if their "hook" is that if you join you'll agree with the Democrats on everything but face widespread mockery from your friends and family.

The alternative one is that they genuinely have difficulty distinguishing themselves from the Democrats. They've just done what Moldbug joking referred to in his post: for "workers and peasants", read "Blacks and Hispanics". As I wrote about a while back, the story of the latter half of the 20th century is that cultural marxism beat out economic marxism. They've just moved slightly with the times, but other than that don't see a big contradiction.

Not that they couldn't emphasize more the seizing the means of production. Admittedly they're already seizing the utilities, but they could talk about other stuff too.

No, the problem is that when you want them to flesh out the rest of their program, after the means of production are seized, that's when it becomes extremely difficult to distinguish them from the Democratic Party. The means of production are seized! We control the commanding heights of the economy! What else would we like to get done?

The answer, apparently, is Bernie Sanders.

And why is that?

At the bottom of the rabbit hole lies one answer: because America is a communist country.

The pill is large though, and your gag reflex is strong. It can't be. There must be some other answer.

Read on, or read it again, and ponder.


  1. Good post. My own 2¢:

    (a) there are no deductive arguments that will logic someone into taking the red pill, and

    (b) the best way to approach AIACC is a pincer-attack on progressivism and demotism. The USA and the USSR were both demotist in their social organization and progressive in the ideology of the ruling shoggoth-cult. The Soviets thought of themselves and their allies as "progressives" and their enemies as "fascists"; likewise but in reverse for Americans. Sibling-rivalry... or maybe even Oedipal rivalry, to the extent that both the 1917 Revolution and the Red Army were demonstrably Made In The USA; conversely, many of the bulwarks of American progressivism started out as little more than communist front organizations. (And did they ever evolve very far beyond those humble origins?)


    1. I certainly think it's true that the success depends less on the logic than on the mindset of the reader. It usually requires some chipping away at.

      I find the historical arguments persuasive as well, especially the fact that what we think today was argued by communists back in the day.

      One of the things I like about trying to open up a third front (in addition to your pincer) is that it's something you can point to about communists today. I suspect a certain class of person waves away historical arguments as just showing that maybe there was some weird stuff going on in a faraway time of which we know little (so to speak), but things are totally different now. This one at least aims at something far more modern - it's hard to find examples of living communists who don't sound basically like Bernie Sanders. So either there are no real communists, or we're all real communists.

    2. Also, props for going to the trouble of locating the actual 'cents' symbol. I always appreciate aesthetic attention to detail. :)

  2. Great post. Speaking of Communism I would be very pleased to read your insights on Chinese political structure, its merits and flaws. As well as they're oft-labelled-"fascist" economics. Big fan of your analysis. Grade A stuff.

    1. I should know more about Chinese internal organisation, but sadly I don't. The one thing I do find interesting, though it's been remarked on by plenty of other people, is the fact that they still cling to the label 'Communist' when if you just had to describe their behaviour, 'Capitalist' would probably come closer to the mark. Evidently they see the brand equity question rather differently from me.

      The only thing I do know a bit is Gary King's fascinating work on their internet censorship regime, here. It turns out it's surprisingly well thought-out.